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How to Inspire the Next Generation of Women in Tech with Mitra Gilasgar | Show Notes to Episode 67 of Women Disrupting Tech

In Episode 67 of Women Disrupting Tech, Mitra Gilasgar shares her inspiring journey into tech, from navigating the male-dominated environments of academia and corporate settings to becoming a role model for women at Role It Out.
She talks about her experiences as one of the few female engineers in a male-dominated company and reveals what it took for her to pave her own path in the industry.
Tune in for an honest, inspiring conversation on how role models can inspire the next generation of women in tech.
To listen, click play below or find episode 67 of Women Disrupting Tech on your favorite podcast platform.
How to Inspire the Next Generation of Women in Tech with Mitra Gilasgar | Ep. 67 – Women Disrupting Tech
What we cover on this blogpost
- What we cover on this blogpost
- The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
- Free ways to support the Women Disrupting Tech
- What makes this episode magical🌟?
- About Mitra Gilasgar
- About Role It Out
- Let me know what you think!
- What’s coming up?
- More episodes like this?
The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
How can we inspire more women to pursue a career in tech?
One thing is clear: Role models play a huge part.
That’s why I’m chatting with Mitra Gilasgar about how we can inspire the next generation of women in tech.
Some highlights from our conversation:
💡 Mitra’s mother is her role model, showing her that it is possible to be a woman in STEM.
💡 Her transition from academia to corporate life changed her perspective on women in tech in more ways than one.
💡 Mitra’s determination to be a role model who inspires the next generation in tech.We also dive into something that not everyone agrees on—Mitra’s take on women saying it’s OK to be the only female in tech spaces and that we shouldn’t force women into the field.
Ready to be inspired? Tune into the episode on Spotify, Apple, or YouTube.
PS. Don’t forget to let me know your thoughts about the episode in the comments.
Free ways to support the Women Disrupting Tech
When you’re ready to support my guests in making this podcast obsolete by the end of 2032, help out by doing these two things:
- Use the share button to share the podcast with friends, family, and co-workers. This way, you give the women disrupting tech the platform they need to make it happen. Use the buttons below to share.
- Rate the podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Better yet, leave a review. You can use a rating of one to five stars. This will help other people discover the podcast. And if you leave a review, it will help me improve.
What makes this episode magical🌟?
I love her intrinsic motivation to support other women. Mitra did not have to think twice about becoming a role model for Role It Out. She decided to inspire other women long before that. She shares the story of how one of her female students approached her when she was teaching at her university in Iran to thank her for giving them an equal opportunity in the classroom.
As a new parent, she is also a role model to her daughter. What I found inspiring is that Mitra will not push her towards tech, but she will give her the information that her daughter needs to make the right choice for her.
Her philosophy: we should not force women into tech, but we can inspire them.

“We don’t have to force anyone into tech, but we can inspire them.”
Mitra Gilasgar, Role Model at Role It Out
About Mitra Gilasgar
Mitra Gilasgar is a senior principal innovation RF design engineer at Ampleon Netherlands. She joined the company in 2016, and she has been designing and developing transistors for mobile broadband since then.
Her passion for constant growth and learning was the main motivation behind her move from north Iran to Barcelona. She obtained her Ph.D. in telecommunication engineering from Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya (UPC). During that time, she worked on integrating power amplifiers for mobile handsets with improved performance.
She is also an advocate for women in tech and a role model at Role It Out. You can connect with Mitra on LinkedIn and Instagram.
About Role It Out
Role it Out is a Role-Model Agency for Women. It offers training and education to women working in tech and helps them become effective role models. Mitra Gilasgar was one of the first role models to participate in the Role-Model Program.
You can learn more about Role It Out and their Role Model Program by visiting the website and following their journey on LinkedIn and Instagram.
Let me know what you think!
Please let me know your thoughts about this episode of Women Disrupting Tech in the comments.
Feel free to share tips and tricks that you have on ensuring that your baby doesn’t develop a food allergy as well.
And if you would like to suggest a guest that I absolutely must have on the podcast, send me an email or a DM on LinkedIn.
What’s coming up?
Next week on Women Disrupting Tech, I’ll share an extraordinary episode that I recorded with Lieke Beelen. She recently decided to put her startup Visual Contracts on hold, and we’ll dive into what that did with her.
After that, we learn from Dr. Ma Cherie Cortez how to master cultural intelligence in seven steps.
So stay tuned for more inspiring women disrupting tech and their male allies in season three of Women Disrupting Tech!
More episodes like this?
If you want to listen to more episodes with Role Models from Role It Out, I can recommend the following episodes to you:
– Episode 58 with Carlota Salamat on role models in engineering.
– Episode 43 with Leonie Wiggers-Frijters about how to get started as a Role Model.
– Episode 38 with Núria Barceló i Peiró on the origin story of Role It Out. -
Building Mamamoon to Support the 3 Ms of Women’s Health and Well-Being with Kasia Pokrop | Show Notes to Episode 66 of Women Disrupting Tech

In this episode, we meet Kasia Pokrop. She uses technology to support women during the three Ms of Women’s Health: Menstruation, Motherhood, and Menopause. She shares how giving birth naturally inspired her to build Mamamoon.
During our 1-hour conversation, Kasia shares her inspiring journey from working at Philips Digital Health to founding Mamamoon, and highlights the importance of:
🤰🏼 Empowering pregnant women by discussing ALL birthing options.
🙋🏻♂️ Empowering partners to take an active role in supporting new mothers and preserving their energy.
🙋🏻♀️ Empowering yourself by not feeling guilty about prioritizing self-care.To listen, click play below or find episode 66 of Women Disrupting Tech on your favorite podcast platform.
Building Mamamoon to Support the 3 Ms of Women's Health and Well-Being with Kasia Pokrop | Ep. 66 – Women Disrupting Tech
What we cover on this blogpost
- What we cover on this blogpost
- The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
- Free ways to support the Women Disrupting Tech
- What makes this episode magical🌟?
- About Kasia Pokrop
- About Mamamoon
- Studies about pregnancy
- Let me know what you think!
- What’s coming up?
The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
95-98% of pregnancies are happy and healthy. Yet, in some countries, like Poland, giving birth is still often treated as a medical procedure. As a result, many women deliver via C-section.
After experiencing a natural birth in the Netherlands, Kasia Pokrop wanted to help other women explore this possibility too. This is where her journey as a female founder started.
Some highlights from our conversation:
💡 Her own journey from giving birth naturally to becoming a role model for her children and entrepreneurs alike.
💡 The need for education on becoming a mother, a life-changing event for which there is no school (yet).
💡How she takes Mamamoon to the next level by supporting women on Menstruation and Menopause.And she shares her experience as part of the 2024 cohort of the Dutch New Narrative Lab.
When you’re ready to learn how Kasia is building an ecosystem to support women at every stage of their lives, tune into the episode on Spotify, Apple, or YouTube.
PS. Don’t forget to let me know your thoughts about the episode in the comments.
Free ways to support the Women Disrupting Tech
When you’re ready to support my guests in making this podcast obsolete by the end of 2032, help out by doing these two things:
- Use the share button to share the podcast with friends, family, and co-workers. This way, you give the women disrupting tech the platform they need to make it happen. Use the buttons below to share.
- Rate the podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Better yet, leave a review. You can use a rating of one to five stars. This will help other people discover the podcast. And if you leave a review, it will help me improve.
What makes this episode magical🌟?
You’ve probably heard experts say that startup founders need to solve a problem that they’ve experienced themselves in order to succeed. And Kasia is a great example of this. She experienced giving birth the natural way and decided that this was something so beautiful that she wanted every woman to have the ability to experience it.
Kasia knows her stuff inside and out, and she shares valuable tips for parenting and entrepreneurship throughout the episode. Here are a few takeaways:
🥘 Instead of bringing toys, bring food for new parents when visiting them.
👼🏼 Giving your child half an hour of undivided attention per day will help you stay connected.
💼 Manage expectations at work about coming back to the office and talk with your colleagues about a Plan B.And you don’t have to be a startup lover to appreciate that users can earn and use unicorn points in the Mamamoon app. After all, all mothers are unicorns after giving birth.

“There’s no school on becoming a parent, whereas it’s a pretty important job.”
Kasia Pokrop, co-founder Mamamoon
About Kasia Pokrop
Kasia Pokrop worked for Philips for 12 years before founding Mamamoon. She holds a Master’s Degree in Management and Marketing from Warsaw School of Economics. She has gained a background in behavior change, hypnobirthing, and coaching. Plus, she’s a self-proclaimed Yoga Fanatic. You can connect with her on LinkedIn.
About Mamamoon
The Mamamoon app is transforming the journey from conception to postpartum. Proudly backed by a team of 40+ experts, Mamamoon is dedicated to minimizing postpartum depression and birth trauma, making the early stages of parenthood smoother. You can follow their journey via Instagram, LinkedIn and their website. And don’t forget to check out the Mamamoon Podcast.
The Mamamoon app, known as ‘Duolingo for birth preparation,’ provides expert support to parents during pregnancy and postpartum. Just like Duolingo makes language learning fun and accessible, Mamamoon uses a similar approach to make birth preparation and postpartum recovery engaging and informative. It is available in the EU via the Google Play Store and the Apple App Store.
Studies about pregnancy
In the episode, Kasia mentions some studies. To give you the opportunity to educate yourself, we invite you to check out these links:
Insufficient sleep and increased risk of postpartum depression
Up to 20% postpartum depression
45% birth trauma
43% of highly educated women leaving work after becoming mothers
Let me know what you think!
Please let me know your thoughts about this episode of Women Disrupting Tech in the comments.
Feel free to share tips and tricks that you have on ensuring that your baby doesn’t develop a food allergy as well.
And if you would like to suggest a guest that I absolutely must have on the podcast, send me an email or a DM on LinkedIn.
What’s coming up?
Next week on Women Disrupting Tech, Mitra Gilasgar will be my guest. We will discuss how she inspires the next generation of women in tech as a role model.
After that, I’ll share an extraordinary episode that I recorded with Lieke Beelen. She recently decided to put her startup Visual Contracts on hold, and we’ll dive into what that did with her.
So stay tuned for more inspiring women disrupting tech and their male allies in season three of Women Disrupting Tech!
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Women Who Built The Internet: Susan Estrada

These days, everyone uses the Internet. We surf it to learn, contact government agencies, and buy stuff.
But let me take you back to the late 1980s. At the time, the Internet was only for academics and the government. Not for ordinary people like you and me. And using the internet as we do today was a distant and very radical idea.
And it would have stayed this way, had it not been for the vision of a woman who played a crucial role in shaping the internet as we know it today: Susan Estrada.
About Susan Estrada
Susan Estrada was born with a curiosity that drove her to explore the world around her. Her father was a professor in Chemistry and her mother was a librarian.
Few people know that her initial career path wasn’t in technology at all. Before making her mark on the internet, Estrada began her professional life in marine biology. Her early work involved studying the behavior of marine mammals, particularly seals.
It wasn’t until later that she obtained a Master’s degree in Information and Computer Science from the University of California, San Diego. This pivot would ultimately lead her to play a crucial role in the development of the commercial internet.
Her contribution to the Internet
Susan Estrada was an Internet pioneer who built Internet infrastructure way before it was “cool”.
In 1987, she founded the California Education and Research Federation Network, also known as CERFnet. This was in effect the first Internet Service Provider.
With CERFnet, she helped educational institutions, businesses, and government agencies connect access the Internet.
Through her leadership and collaboration with PSInet and UUnet, Susan helped form the interconnection enabling the first commercial Internet traffic via the Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX).
This was a pivotal moment in the commercialization of the Internet, and it set the stage for the explosive growth that would follow in the 1990s.
The power of collaboration
Susan Estrada did not shy way from collaborating with other innovative players. One of her earliest commercial customers was a small startup named Qualcomm, now an industry leader in telecom. She also made some bold choices like purchasing equipment from another startup named Cisco, which provided them with a big boost: 10% of their gross revenue for 1988.
Two Fun Facts
CERFnet was called CERF and not SURF because, as Estrada highlighted in her induction speech for the Internet Hall Of Fame, “those darn people in the Netherlands took the real “surf” from us in California.”
Susan and her colleagues also wanted to humanize the Internet. In fact, they created a female cartoon character called Captain Internet to help them do so.

AI-generated picture of Susan Estrada with one of her quotes. “I like to think of myself as an innovator and collaborator – building the commercial scale Internet that our academic and businesses customers wanted.” – Susan Estrada
Advocating for women in tech
Susan Estrada’s impact goes beyond the technical aspects of networking. Throughout her career, she has been a strong advocate for women in technology, breaking barriers and serving as a role model for future generations.
Her leadership in a male-dominated field during the early days of the internet serves as an inspiring example of breaking barriers and paving the way for future generations of women in tech.
She actively works to ensure that women’s achievements are recognized and celebrated, helping to counteract history’s tendency to overlook women’s role in technological advancements. By doing so, she not only honors past achievements but also creates a more inclusive narrative for the future.
Her legacy
CERFnet didn’t just provide internet access; it helped democratize it. Susan Estrada’s work ensured that the internet would not remain confined to a small group of users but would grow into a global phenomenon. Her contributions were instrumental in creating the backbone of what we now take for granted: universal access to the Internet.
She was inducted into the Internet Hall of Fame in 2014.
So, the next time you surf the Internet, thank Susan Estrada for making that happen.
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Breaking the Food Allergy Cycle with Jozien Boersma | Show Notes to Episode 65 of Women Disrupting Tech

In this episode, Jozien Boersma and I talk about how her startup, Vini Mini, tackles the rising epidemic of food allergies.
Discover how early introduction of common allergens, like peanuts, cow milk, and nuts, can help build your baby’s tolerance and reduce the risk of allergies. And learn about actionable methods for safely introducing these foods.
Jozien also shares essential insights on the timing, the influence of climate change on allergy prevalence, and the importance of proactive prevention.
To listen, click play below or find episode 65 of Women Disrupting Tech on your favorite podcast platform.
Breaking the Food Allergy Cycle with Vini Mini Co-founder Jozien Boersma | Ep. 65 – Women Disrupting Tech
The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
Did you know that one in four children now has a food allergy? And this figure has doubled in just the past decade. If this trend continues, we could see half the world’s population living with food allergies by 2050.
This isn’t just a challenge for parents and our already overstretched healthcare system. This trend prevents us from transitioning to sustainable food.
The good news: feeding babies precisely the food that they would otherwise become allergic to within the first year can help us break this cycle.
Here’s what you’ll learn in this episode:
🔂 Climate change is fueling the rise in food allergies, creating a vicious cycle that we need to break.
👩🏼🏫 Timing is everything when it comes to introducing allergens. So, educating parents about food allergies even before the baby is born is critical.
🫱🏼🫲🏾 How to partner with specialists who can arrange for the production and packaging of foods when you’re not an expert in the field.Tune in to learn how Vini Mini is leading the charge to break the food allergy cycle and build a healthier future. You can find episode 65 of Women Disrupting Tech on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube.
PS. Don’t forget to let me know your thoughts about the episode in the comments.
Free ways to support the Women Disrupting Tech
When you’re ready to support my guests in making this podcast obsolete by the end of 2032, help out by doing these two things:
- Use the share button to share the podcast with friends, family, and co-workers. This way, you give the women disrupting tech the platform they need to make it happen. Use the buttons below to share.
- Rate the podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Better yet, leave a review. You can use a rating of one to five stars. This will help other people discover the podcast. And if you leave a review, it will help me improve.
What makes this episode magical🌟?
For starters, it is great to hear that a seemingly complex problem can be solved quite easily. Studies have shown that around 80% of food allergies can be prevented by feeding babies precisely the food that they would otherwise become allergic to.
Another part is the magic behind making the portions bite-size for babies and guiding parents on how to increase the portion size. Because one of the biggest challenges for parents is mixing the correct amount of allergens into the baby’s regular food.
Finally, I love how educating parents is really a team effort of government agencies, pediatric care, and companies like Vini Mini. Together, they ensure that parents get the right information at the right time.

“For me, the proof of the pudding is that healthcare professionals are collaborating with us.”
Jozien Boersma, Co-founder Vini Mini
About Jozien Boersma
Jozien Boersma is on a mission to help parents prevent food allergies in babies. After getting an MBA from the Vrije Universiteit, she had a 15-year corporate career in marketing for nutrition companies like Danone and FrieslandCampina. She found her true calling as the co-founder of Vini Mini, where she empowers parents to prevent food allergies from the very start.
You can connect with Jozien on LinkedIn. If you have any questions about her work at Vini Mini, she invites you to email her.
About Vini Mini
In 2020, she co-founded Vini Mini with Laurie Lancee. Vini Mini helps parents to prevent food allergies in babies. They provide supplements that contain allergens like peanuts and nuts in doses that help the baby’s immune system build up resistance to them.
You can learn more about Vini Mini on their website, and I invite you to follow them on Instagram and LinkedIn.
Links to research
In this episode, Jozien highlights some research that is done into the effects of feeding babies the foods to prevent them from becoming allergic to them.
– The EAT study that was done in the UK to investigate the impact of early introduction of allergenic foods reduced the number of children developing food allergies and other allergic diseases, such as eczema.
– The LEAP study revealed that early introduction reduces the risk of peanut allergies by 80% compared to avoidance of peanuts.
– The PETIT Study investigated the effects of early introduction of egg to prevent egg allergy.
Let me know what you think!
Please let me know your thoughts about this episode of Women Disrupting Tech in the comments.
Feel free to share tips and tricks that you have on ensuring that your baby doesn’t develop a food allergy as well.
And if you would like to suggest a guest that I absolutely must have on the podcast, send me an email or a DM on LinkedIn.
What’s coming up?
Next week on Women Disrupting Tech, Kasia Pokrop will take us on a deep dive into the three Ms of a woman’s life: Menstruation, Motherhood, and Menopause.
After that, Mitra Gilasgar is my guest to discuss how she inspires the next generation of women in tech as a role model.
So stay tuned for more inspiring women disrupting tech and their male allies in season three of Women Disrupting Tech!
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Interview with CXO Outlook

Recently, I was invited for an interview by CXO Outlook®. We talked about my mission and vision with Women Disrupting Tech, the benefits of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in tech, and the role men can play in making tech more inclusive (so my podcast will be obsolete by the end of 2032). Click the logo below to read the full interview.

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Redefining Palliative Caregiving with Pal CEO Nara Moripen | Show Notes to Episode 64 of Women Disrupting Tech

In this episode of Women Disrupting Tech, Nara shares how she transformed her personal journey as a caregiver into a digital platform that empowers family members to be active participants in their loved ones’ care.
She also highlights the often overlooked role of men in caregiving and explains how improving collaboration among caregivers is crucial for better outcomes.
To listen, click play below or find episode 64 of Women Disrupting Tech on your favorite podcast platform.
Redefining Palliative Caregiving with Pal CEO Nara Moripen | Episode 64 of Women Disrupting Tech – Women Disrupting Tech
The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
Imagine coming home to spend a holiday with your family and being confronted with the news that your mother has a terminal illness.
This was the moment that set Nara Moripen on an unexpected journey into palliative care. It’s a journey she wasn’t fully prepared for, and one where the healthcare system could only offer limited support.
In episode 64 of Women Disrupting Tech, Nara and I discuss:
🤯 The challenges that family members face when providing palliative care
🪄 How her app, Pal, can help them tackle palliative caregiving challenges
🙋🏻♂️ The way to get men involved in caregiving.Taking it beyond Pal, Nara offers valuable insights into women in tech and the realities of fundraising, giving listeners an inspiring perspective on building a startup in the healthcare space.
Tune in now to hear Nara’s inspiring story and insights on how she is redefining palliative care with Pal. You can find episode 64 of Women Disrupting Tech on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube.
PS. Don’t forget to let me know your thoughts about the episode in the comments.
Free ways to support the Women Disrupting Tech
When you’re ready to support my guests in making this podcast obsolete by the end of 2032, help out by doing these two things:
- Use the share button to share the podcast with friends, family, and co-workers. This way, you give the women disrupting tech the platform they need to make it happen. Use the buttons below to share.
- Rate the podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Better yet, leave a review. You can use a rating of one to five stars. This will help other people discover the podcast. And if you leave a review, it will help me improve.
What makes this episode magical🌟?
Nara immediately dispels some common myths. Like the idea that palliative care is only for the last few weeks of someone’s life. And that getting reliable health information is easy. In fact, Nara openly admits to wasting a lot of time figuring out what to do or not feeling confident about what action to take while caring for her mother.
The idea for Pal started with her personal caregiving experience. And initially, Pal was designed for caregivers. But, as we discover during the podcast, healthcare providers and insurance companies may also benefit from the app.
When we discuss traditional role models and the role of men in caregiving, she highlights that she doesn’t think it is because men don’t want to or don’t have the time. Instead, it is because it’s difficult for different caregivers to collaborate effectively. And that is something that Pal solves for.

“I don’t think men are not caregivers because they don’t want to or don’t have time.”
Nara Moripen, Co-founder and CEO of Pal
About Nara Moripen and Pal
Nara Moripen is the co-founder and CEO of Pal. Before starting Pal, she worked as a strategy consultant in healthcare and life sciences. Nara holds a bachelor’s in International Business from Regent’s University in London and a Master’s in Management from EBS University for Economy and Law in Wiesbaden.
Nara loves to connect on LinkedIn. If you’re a healthcare professional or a caregiver and you’d like to learn more about contributing to Pal, feel free to email Nara directly.
Pal is a digital platform that supports millions of people who are caring for a loved one with a life-limiting illness. You can learn more about Pal’s journey in transforming palliative care via its website and on LinkedIn and Instagram. Its app is available in the App Store and Play Store.
Let me know what you think!
Please let me know your thoughts about this episode of Women Disrupting Tech in the comments.
Tell me your experiences with caregiving, tips and tricks that helped you, and if Nara inspired you to go on your own hero’s journey in tech.
And if you would like to suggest a guest that I absolutely must have on the podcast, send me an email or a DM on LinkedIn.
What’s coming up?
Next week on Women Disrupting Tech, Kasia Pokrop will take us on a deep dive into the three Ms of a woman’s life: Menstruation, Motherhood, and Menopause.
After that, we learn how we can prevent food allergies by feeding our newborns exactly the food that they could become allergic to.
So stay tuned for more inspiring women disrupting tech and their male allies in season three of Women Disrupting Tech!
More episodes like this?
If you like to listen to more episodes like this one, here are a few recommendations.
– In episode 4, Faviola Dadis describes a similar journey into health tech. She noticed the suboptimal treatments available to people with traumatic brain injuries. Her now-defunct startup, NeuroReality, tried to use the power of VR and gaming to improve outcomes.
– In episode 18, Lotte Leufkens shares her journey with Cloud Cuddle. Her story started as a project at TU Delft where she saw how much impact she could make with a foldable bed for children with physical and mental challenges.
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Women Who Built The Internet: Radia Perlman

Vint Cerf is often regarded as the ‘father of the Internet.’ But did you know that the Internet has a mother, too?
Let me tell you about Radia Perlman. Without her Spanning Tree Protocol (STP), the Internet would be a whole lot buggier and slower.
Scroll down to read her story.

AI-generated image of Radia Perlman while working on her Spanning Tree Protocol. About Radia Perlman
Radia Perlman was born in Portsmouth, Virginia, in 1951. Growing up, she had no problems with math and science. This is not strange considering that both her parents worked as engineers: her father worked on radar, and her mother worked as a computer programmer.
However, it took a programming class in high school to get her interested in computers. From there, things developed quickly and positively: during her bachelor’s at MIT, she developed a child-friendly version of the programming language LOGO that allowed children as young as 3 years old to program their own robots.
Her contribution to the Internet
Radia Perlman is best known for her invention of the Spanning Tree Protocol (STP) while working for Digital Equipment Corporation in 1985.
STP allows a network to deliver data reliably by making it possible to design the network with redundant links. This setup provides automatic backup paths if an active link fails and turns off the links that are not part of the tree. This leaves a single, active path between any pair of network nodes.
More recently, she invented the TRILL protocol to correct some of the shortcomings of spanning trees, allowing Ethernet to make optimal use of bandwidth.
Before STP, only computers that belonged to the same network could communicate with each other. Radia’s “magic box” made it possible to communicate between networks as well. In that sense, it is a backbone for a reliable and functioning internet.
Inventing it was kind of a funny story
She invented it, literally, on a Friday and spent the next Monday and Tuesday documenting it. Then, she spent the rest of the week writing a poem about her ‘tree,’ which she called an “Algorhyme.”
Implementation turned out to be so simple that engineers would not need to ask a single question.

Picture of Radia Perlman with one of her quotes about diversity. Picture by Scientist-100 at English Wikipedia “The kind of diversity that I thing really matters isn’t skin shade or body shape but different ways of thinking.” – Radia Perlman
But wait, there’s more…
Like Marian Croak, Radia Perlman has more than 200 patents in her name. About 40 stem from her time at Sun Microsystems in the late 1990s.
Beyond STP and TRILL, Perlman has contributed significantly to network security. She has worked on innovative concepts in cryptography and network robustness, influencing the development of secure communication protocols.
Her work on the design of security systems helped lay the foundation for the safe exchange of data on the Internet.
So, the next time you wonder how you can surf the web without errors, thank Radia Perlman.
What’s with the quote?
Radia Perlman has spoken openly about the lack of diversity in tech and the importance of creating more inclusive environments. Despite her groundbreaking contributions, she often encountered subtle biases and societal expectations that made it harder for women to be taken seriously in technical roles.
She has also often highlighted that diversity isn’t just a matter of fairness. According to her it is crucial for innovation. Diverse teams bring different perspectives, which can lead to better problem-solving and more creative solutions.
She has argued that the tech industry misses out on great ideas and talent when it lacks diversity, reinforcing the notion that inclusivity is essential for technological progress.
Her legacy
In addition to the 200+ patents, there are many children’s books and about 20 books on various STEM-related topics. Perlman has also taught courses at the University of Washington, Harvard University, MIT, and Texas A&M and has been the keynote speaker at events all over the world.
She was elected a member of the National Academy of Engineering in 2019 for contributions to Internet routing and bridging protocols. She was inducted into the Internet Hall of Fame in 2014 and into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 2016.
She also received lifetime achievement awards from USENIX in 2006 and from the Association for Computing Machinery’s SIGCOMM in 2010.
As of 2022, she was a Fellow at Dell Technologies.
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Teaching Children How To Code To Unlock Hidden Talent with Vedrana Rogoznica | Show Notes to Episode 63 of Women Disrupting Tech

Being a startup founder is challenging, and being a female founder of a tech startup is even more difficult. But Vedrana Rogoznica takes the concept of doing things ‘the hard way’ to a whole new level.
Join us as we embark on her extraordinary journey. One that takes us from playing with dolls to becoming a female founder of a tech startup that teaches children coding skills by letting them program their own robots.
To listen, click play below or find episode 63 of Women Disrupting Tech on your favorite podcast platform.
Unlocking Hidden Talent by Teaching Children How To Code with Vedrana Rogoznica | Ep. 63 – Women Disrupting Tech
The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
Vedrana Rogoznica is on a mission to shift education from teaching facts and formulas to teaching kids how to select and use technology effectively.
In episode 63 of Women Disrupting Tech, Vedrana and I speak about
🦄 Empowering the Next Generation: Vedrana is driven by the belief that young people should be enabled to make technology work for them to prevent knowledge and income inequality.
⚖️ Balancing Education and Fun: Vedrana discusses the challenge of keeping kids between 8 and 12 engaged with educational content while ensuring it’s both fun and trustworthy.
👥 Diversity in Tech: Drawing from her own experiences as a startup founder, Vedrana highlights the importance of diversity and collaboration in creating impactful solutions.Tune in now to hear Vedrana’s inspiring story and insights on how programming a robot can unlock hidden talents in children. You can find episode 63 of Women Disrupting Tech on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube.
PS. Don’t forget to let me know your thoughts about the episode in the comments.
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What makes this episode magical🌟?
Already in the first few minutes, it becomes clear that Vedrana is not your average tech girl. She used to play with dolls and didn’t care much about the technology in the smartphones around her.
Her journey into tech is also far from average. After listening to it, you’d even be excused for thinking that she is taking the path of most resistance.
But make no mistake—this intelligent lady is driven by a passion for living a meaningful life. This passion filters through in her story about starting Rotoy. She asked her co-founder Krzysztof to explain the concept to her as if she were a nine-year-old. This created a customer-centric mindset from the start. As a non-techie, she acted as a guinea pig for the first iterations, simply using the power of her lack of knowledge to improve the product.
And who doesn’t love a quote that you don’t need to be technical to set up a tech startup?

“Even if you don’t have a tech background, you can have a tech startup.”
Vedrana Rogoznica, Co-founder and CEO of Rotoy
About Vedrana Rogoznica and Rotoy
“Life is about intentionally creating meaningful things!” is the life motto of female entrepreneur Vedrana Rogoznica. After moving from Croatia to Denmark, she became the co-founder and CEO of Rotoy. She holds a Master’s degree in Business Administration from the University of Southern Denmark. Besides being a startup founder, she also mentors other female founders.
You can connect with her on LinkedIn and watch her TEDx Talk on YouTube.
Rotoy teaches children coding skills by teaching them how to code their own robots. Their product is designed for children between 8 and 12 and can be used at home and schools. To learn more, visit their website or follow their journey on LinkedIn.
Let me know what you think!
Please let me know your thoughts about this episode of Women Disrupting Tech in the comments.
I’m interested to hear your thoughts about teaching children how to code at a young age.
By the way, if you would like to suggest a guest that I absolutely must have on the podcast, send me an email or a DM on LinkedIn.
What’s coming up?
Next week on Women Disrupting Tech, Nara Moripen is my guest to discuss how her startup, Pal, is creating digital palliative care solutions for families affected by life-limiting diseases.
After that, Kasia Pokrop will take us on a deep dive into the three Ms of a woman’s life: Menstruation, Motherhood, and Menopause.
So stay tuned for more inspiring women disrupting tech and their male allies in season three of Women Disrupting Tech!
More episodes like this?
If you like to listen to more episodes like this one, here are a few recommendations.
In Episode 59, Sonal Rattan tells me all about her daughter’s experience with tech education. In short, she absolutely hated it until it became more practical.
– In Episode 58, Carlota Salamat also highlights the need for more practical tech education.
– And for a primer on girls in Dutch vocational tech education and the need for more women in tech, you can listen to my conversation with Sanne Jongejan. -
Women Who Built The Internet: Marian Croak

Behind every Zoom call or Google Meet, there is a visionary who made it possible.
And if you look at the history of the internet, you’d think that Voice over IP was invented by a man.
That is why I want you to meet Marian Croak. She played a pivotal role in developing Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) technology during her time at AT&T. Her work made online calls and remote work possible.
How did that happen? Scroll down below and I’ll tell you.

AI-generated image of Marian Croak while working on one of her VoIP developments. About Marian Croak
Marian Rogers Croak was born in 1955 in New York. Her father, who built her a home chemistry set, inspired her to enter tech.
She attended Princeton to study social psychology and obtained a Ph.D. in Quantitative Analysis and Psychology from the University of Southern California in 1982.
In that same year, she joined AT&T, where she would work for 3 decades before joining Google.
Her contribution to the Internet
Marian Croak is best known for her work on Voice over IP (VoIP).
When she joined AT&T Bell Laboratories, Croak first began working on digital messaging applications. She investigated whether various messaging applications could communicate with each other.
Her work involved converting the traditional circuit-switched networks used for telephone calls into more efficient packet-switched networks. This shift allowed voice data to be transmitted over the internet, which was a revolutionary concept at the time.
Croak’s innovations made VoIP more reliable, scalable, and widely accessible, paving the way for modern communication platforms like Zoom, Skype, and WhatsApp that we rely on today.

“You need to be childlike. A little naïve and not inhibited by what’s possible.” – Marian Croak
More than just VoIP
To say that she is a prolific inventor would be an understatement. Marian holds over 200 patents, about half of them related to VoIP developments. In 2022, she was one of the first two women of color to be inducted into the US National Inventors Hall of Fame.
Marian Croak is deeply committed to advocating for underrepresented groups in the tech industry. Throughout her career, she has been a passionate mentor and advocate for women and people of color, encouraging them to pursue careers in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics).
She has worked to create more inclusive and supportive environments within tech companies, emphasizing the importance of diversity in driving innovation. At Google, she continues to lead initiatives aimed at improving diversity and inclusion, leveraging her position to push for systemic changes that make the tech industry more fair.
Her efforts have inspired many and contributed to a broader movement toward greater representation in technology.
The story of Marian Croak continues
Marian Croak is still working at Google. She holds a senior leadership position as Vice President of Engineering. In this role, she leads efforts in site reliability engineering and is involved in projects focused on expanding internet access globally, as well as initiatives to improve the reliability and scalability of Google’s services.
Additionally, she continues to be an advocate for diversity and inclusion within the company, playing an active role in mentoring and supporting underrepresented groups in tech.
So, the next time you join a Teams meeting or use WhatsApp to send a voice memo, remember Marian Croak.
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How to Create New Narratives for an Equal and Innovative Society With Ruben Brave | Show Notes to Episode 62 of Women Disrupting Tech

For the first time, we have a man on the show. And not just any man but Ruben Brave. As the founder of Dutch New Narrative Lab, Ruben is dedicated to creating new narratives that empower underrepresented founders.
In this Dutch episode, we explore Ruben’s personal experiences with racism in the boardroom, the systemic obstacles that prevent many from succeeding, and the important role men can play in dismantling these barriers.
Join us in this eye-opening conversation to learn how we can all contribute to a more equal and innovative society. Listen to episode 62 by hitting the play button below or scroll down for more information about Ruben and Dutch New Narrative Lab.
How to Create New Narratives for an Equal and Innovative Society With Ruben Brave | Ep. 62 – Women Disrupting Tech
The Magic You Can Expect in this Episode 🪄
An honest conversation. Not about diversity but about reality…
That is probably the best way to describe my conversation with Ruben Brave. He is the first man on Women Disrupting Tech. And for good reasons.
In episode 62, we explore Ruben’s personal experiences with racism in the boardroom, the systemic barriers faced by those who don’t fit the traditional mold, and the crucial role men play in breaking down these barriers.
Ruben also offers insightful advice for men who want to support his new narrative: start by asking women about their experiences and truly listen.
To hear this eye-opening conversation, find episode 62 of Women Disrupting Tech on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube, and hit play ⏯️. And let me know your thoughts about the episode in the comments.
No-cost ways to support the Women Disrupting Tech
When you’re ready to support my guests in making this podcast obsolete by the end of 2032, help out by doing these two things:
- Use the share button to share the podcast with friends, family, and co-workers. This way, you give the women disrupting tech the platform they need to make it happen. Use the buttons below to share.
- Rate the podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Better yet, leave a review. You can use a rating of one to five stars. This will help other people discover the podcast. And if you leave a review, it will help me improve.
What makes this episode magical🌟?
Ruben is really open about his own experiences and manages to translate them into concrete actions to change things.
In that sense, the Dutch New Narrative Lab is an apt name for his initiative. He practices what he preaches by removing the roadblocks that prevent people from underrepresented groups from getting access to the same opportunities as others.
In that sense, the example of a well-intentioned government initiative speaks for itself. Diversity can be considered a ranking factor for subsidy applications, but if diverse people do not apply, this ranking factor has no effect whatsoever.
But he also understands that most white people still have a long way to go. We need to develop empathy and not view feedback as an attack on us.
His advice to men is to ask women about their experiences, listen, and do some soul-searching about what their experiences mean to them. It’s the first step on a journey for a man to discover what his behavior does to women.
And if we take that a step further, the same is true when it comes to looking at people with another ethnicity, religion, and sexual preference.

“Diversiteit is gewoon zoals de wereld feitelijk is.”
Ruben Brave, Founder Dutch New Narrative Lab
About Ruben Brave and the Dutch New Narrative Lab
Ruben Brave (1974) is a Dutch internet pioneer, media professional, serial tech entrepreneur, investor and Multi-Board Member. In 2004, he founded the academic business incubator Entelligence, in which startups of professors are kick-started (spin-offs) in the media, ICT, health, and education sectors.
Recently, he initiated the Dutch New Narrative Lab Foundation (DNNL) after conducting a Diversity Exploration in the Dutch startup ecosystem commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs & Climate, for which he interviewed 350+ underrepresented founders and professionals.
I invite you to visit his website for a wealth of background information on his work. You can connect with Ruben on LinkedIn.
The Dutch New Narrative Lab aims to improve access to innovative entrepreneurship for all underrepresented groups in the Dutch startup ecosystem. It creates visibility for these entrepreneurs and thereby tilts the dominant standard image of “the innovative entrepreneur.” Among other initiatives, DNNL does this through its DNNL Launchpad and the unConference.
I encourage you to visit their website and invite you to follow them on LinkedIn or YouTube to learn more about their mission and programs.
Let me know what you think!
Please let me know your thoughts about this episode of Women Disrupting Tech in the comments.
I’m curious to hear about your experiences with racism and would love to hear if Ruben’s views resonate with you.
By the way, if you would like to suggest a guest that I absolutely must have on the podcast, send me an email or a DM on LinkedIn.
What’s coming up?
Next week on Women Disrupting Tech, Vedrana Rogoznica will tell us all about her startup, Rotoy. Rotoy teaches children how to program a robot. This approach helps them learn coding. Prepare for some serious female founder inspiration!
After that, Nara Moripen is my guest to discuss how her startup, Pal, is creating digital palliative care solutions for families affected by life-limiting diseases.
So stay tuned for more inspiring women disrupting tech and their male allies in season three of Women Disrupting Tech!
More episodes like this?
If you like to listen to more episodes like this one, here are a few recommendations.
– In episode 21, Marijke Kasius argued that we should stop pointing to diversity and start approaching it as normal. If you look at Ruben’s quote, I’m sure you can imagine the similarities in their positions. This episode is in Dutch.
– In episode 54, I talked to Kimberly Ofori. One of the things she mentions is that there are huge growth opportunities in Africa. But, the traditional financial system seems to overlook them.
